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  JULY 15th Study Watchtower - NEW LIGHT IS FANTASY

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the july 15 study watchtower uses all 4 study articles to try to inculcate into every witnesses' mind that the governing body is indisputably god's sole channel of communication on earth.

  to do so, it uses a multitude of scriptures along with seriously flawed un-inspired reasoning.

  the foundation stone of this watchtower's blatant agenda is the claim that when jesus used only a few to dispense the physical food to the many, he was setting a principle which would be applied to the distribution of spiritual food after he returned to heaven.

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  " The GB clearly doesn't do it all - they just have oversight of it. "....

  I don't believe that when it comes to actual writing of articles, they don't do ANY of it.... not one of these guys has "scholar" on his resume'.... they're all a bunch of former itinerant DOs brought in to Bethel and groomed for the job (whatever that means). Not one of them has anything approaching the stature -- or gravitas, etc. of -- Franz and Knorr, not to mention Ray Franz, Ed Dunlap, Karl Adams, or any of the other "heavies" of the '50s and '60s.
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  *sigh*

  by C.O.B.E.Beef in

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  2. friends

  this is my first time participating in a site like this , so please.

  forgive me if my approach is clumsy.. my story is not extraordinary and hardly interesting, so thanks.

  in advance to this forum for extending the bandwidth for my own.

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  "The only result I will not accept is losing my wife and children.
  I won't leave her in a burning building because she doesn’t realize
  it is on fire. I would have little influence from the outside. Im
  unsure what course I will take but I know it will take some time,
  because the roots are very deep , and there are few things more
  powerful than familial approval."

  C.O.B.E, Very, VERY well said; thanks, I can certainly relate. Except that I've already "stepped down" as an elder, I'm wearing precisely the same shoes.
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  Can losing faith in God be a disfellowshipping offense?

  by Emery in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been pondering this question for awhile.

  say a person during a shepherding visit with the elders were to simply state that they had lost their faith in god because of the subject of suffering-- would the elders still have grounds to disfellowship them even if the person did not actually commit a sinful offense?

  instead of diving into all the errors, false prophecies, and lies advanced by the organization can somebody simply say, "i have lost faith in jehovah" and walk away without being publically denounced?

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  The sad reality is that it all depends on the whims of the local elders and their reaction to your stated misgivings; basically, they can DF anyone on any pretext whatever, and leave them to the mercy of an appeal committee, which more often than not, is loathe to overturn.
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  The Experts- Jehovahs Witnesses

  by jean-luc picard in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking this weekend of a brother i first met when i was a teenager.. not yet an elder, this brother was very outspoken, and was viewed a kind of hero to the r&f.. an inexperienced teen, i also believed ( influenced by others) that this guy was a godsend.. looking back, with the eyes of a more mature person, i now consider him an arrogant self opinionated bully.. he later became an elder and i might add that he also had an imposing physical appearance .

  but he had no education.

  no schooling.

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  Julia, you have a point: what is remotely humble about a people convinced they're the only ones worth saving, while God vaporizes the other 99.99 percent of humanity, down to the last pudgy infant?
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  How did the 1919 GB know they were chosen ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the present gb/fds claim a kind of apostolic succession going back to the now claimed first appearance of the fds in 1919.. i don't think anywhere is it made clear who made up the fds then, but let us go along with the fiction, (in reality we know only rutherford really ruled the roost) and assume there was a group of guys who were the fds, how did they know they were chosen as such ?.

  there obviously is nothing in the wt writings of the time as all this is noo lite, so, if they did not know their heaven appointed role, why would they carry it out, except by accident?

  and if so, how could they possibly produce "food at the proper time "?.

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  It's astonishing what people can be led to believe, against all reason and contrary evidence.
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  Bible Teach Book has been getting a facelift WT Style

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  well the book they use to conduct bible studies is already showing its age, and just like the changes they made to the live forever book they are doing it to the bible teach book as well.

  here is something i found on the kool aid site jw talk .

  net:.

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  " These changes quietly took place over a year ago. Did you notice?"

  It's a rare JW that scrutinizes the Bible as carefully as this guy pores over the WT literature. How many JWs can list the books of the Bible, name the apostles or the "fruits of the spirit' when challenged?
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  Has the feared and much anticipated,'Jehovah Witness Great Tribulation', now started in earnest during this year of 2013?

  by Sol Reform in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the watchtower states that the great tribulation.... will start when the united nations attacks babylon the great.

  it appears individual states of the usa are starting to get that ball rolling right now.. .

  with the world wide child sexual abuse cover-ups across the globe getting special attention from the media.. legislators across the usa seem to have lost the fear of getting the nod of disapproval of 'clergy', especially from the younger members.. law professor marci a. hamilton writes, "across the country, the movement for justice for child-sex-abuse victims is finding that conversations that used to begin with a discussion of the catholic bishops' opposition (and then often ended abruptly) are now started by a member's saying, "they don't deserve deference on this issue.

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  The Watchtower's original end-times scenario, which prevailed through the early 60s, was that the Great Tribulation began with Satan's ouster from heaven in 1914, precipitating an unprecedented time of trouble that would be cut short to allow "some flesh to be saved."
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  what do you think about the charity status of the over 100 JW charities listed here

  by recovering in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i went to a site which lists over 100 different registered jw charities in the us.

  take a look.

  http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?fromrec=76&keyword_list=jehovah%27s+witnesses&submit2=go&bay=search.results2.

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  A shameless scam.
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  WT: Train your kids to shut up - April 2013 OKM

  by aposta-Z in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  quote from april 2013 our kingdom ministry; available on here: http://jwleaks.org/ .

  " even if they are too young to understand everything that is discussed, children can be trained to remain awake and sit.

  quietly.

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  The lobotomizing starts early. What is this from? Another of the annual "don't misbehave, you'll make us look bad" pre-convention articles that appear every Spring with the daffodils? You know, the ones that browbeat the sheeples to not save seats, to leave the premises to eat at local restaurants or to run amok at the hotels.
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  We don't need AAWA group and organization

  by Nebeska Nada in

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  do we?

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  Good for you... it's there for those who feel they need it.